Donnie Darko
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I have alot in common with Jake gyllenhaal's character. That movie fucked me up big time. especially that haunting song "mad world " wich mad me almost hang myself.
>>By #3loserwithpride (Friday, 21 May 2004 03:17)
great song aint it
>>By Billy Pilgrim (Friday, 21 May 2004 07:02)
yes quite
>>By #3loserwithpride (Friday, 21 May 2004 15:40)
jeez, you dont have to hang yourself over a song, eah the song is brilliant and very thought provoking but seriously please dont kill yourself!
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>>By Mowgli (Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:04)
i really wish they would make a second donnie darko....
>>By #3loserwithpride (Monday, 7 Jun 2004 03:27)
what's the password for the first level of www.donniedarko.com?
>>By #3loserwithpride (Monday, 7 Jun 2004 16:18)
Arthur Dental, I agree with what you are saying wtih Sparrow having warned Donnie except that there is an inconsistancy with that theory in relation to the book. You explained that Sparrow warned Donnie that he would die alone if he didn't die to save everyone else because she learned from her own mistake. But how do you know that she was supposed to die to. First you are assuming that she was the a receiver once, but also you are assuming she was supposed to die. No where in the book does it say the living receiver is destined to die in the primary universe. It is only by chance that Donnie happens to die and is the living receiver. As for donnie he is not so brave and this christly thing doesn't truly live up to the allusion because Donnie would die in both universes. His tangent universe is going to collapse anyway and everyone will die either way so he is not being brave and sacrificing a life that he could have had in the tangent universe because the tangent universe was going to end as well, which would have caused the end of the primary universe too.
I have a couple of questions though... What did Gretchen do as a manipulator because she really didn't seem to have done anything really? Frank the human in the tangent dimension didn't really have any superhuman knowledge so I wouldn't think Gretchen would, but Frank manifested himself as the rabbit through the fourth dimension. Why didn't Gretchen do that?
Also what was it that donnie did that ultimately sent the engine back to the primary universe??
Oh and for all of you who liked this weird stuff, watch a David Lynch film like Mulholland Drive or Lost Highway... freaky stuff that you need to figure out.
>>By Tennisgrrl (Saturday, 12 Jun 2004 08:57)
I think the reason this all happened in the first place was because Donnie didn't belong in this world. I mean, it's a paradox in itself, this entire movie. It wouldn't have happened if he just stayed in bed. The reason it did happen after all is because some higher power decided to just let the paradox take place causing Donnie to see Frank (Remember Donnie shouting "Deus ex machina! Our saviour!" when they see the car approaching). There might be all kinds of references to higher powers like the movie theatre which in addition to "The Evil Dead" is also showing "The Last Temptation of Christ" (check the sign when Donnie walks out to burn the house).
Hmm, I would LOVE to talk with Richard Kelly about this! The way he depicts certain (kinds of) people, elements and the way he visualizes stuff is just BEAUTIFUL!
Anyway: What do you guys think? Do you agree that maybe Donnie didn't belong in this world and that's the reason he was chosen(?) to walk this path..?
>>By Sorcerer (Friday, 25 Jun 2004 15:08)
someone explain to me about the rabbit...
>>By giambotta (Saturday, 26 Jun 2004 08:09)
In the scene with gretchen, dead frank, and donnie where donnie asks dead frank to remove his mask, dead frank's right eye has a hole in it from the bullet wound dead frank gets from donnie shooting him because living frank runs over gretchen. i believe the whole reason frank travels back in time is to make amends with donnie and apologize for killing gretchen, reason being dead frank telling donnie 'I am so sorry' in the theatre. however, dead frank realizes that by going back and saving donnie from being crushed by the jet engine, he is killing gretchen again. also going back to dead frank apologizing to donnie. The only thing is frank has nothing to do with donnie getting the handgun, which donnie does because he is 'destined to' since his time line (i think that's what they called the thing that comes out of your chest and leads you through your pre-determined path). So, two major forces are leading donnie, one being dead frank and the other being donnie's destiny. Frank doesn't want gretchen to die, because that, in turn, kills frank. and when living frank dies, this kills dead frank because, thanks to back to the future lol, we know that having two of the same people existing in the same world could cause a complete collapse in the universe. i think that frank being killed twice is what makes time begin to run backwards, sending the jet engine back in time to counteract dead frank's having ever been there. however, for this to be correct, dead frank must have known that he would be killed again regardless of how much he wanted gretchen to live. reason for this being all the events that created the position of having donnie's mom in the very airplane that kills him. i think i'd better stop 'cuz i think my brain is gonna explode lol... but you guys on here are all extremely intelligent and probably completely disagree with me, but whatever. give me your thoughts.
>>By somethingbetter (Tuesday, 29 Jun 2004 10:26)
also, it think the main reason donnie shoots frank is not just because he kills gretchen, but because of the "deus ex machina" (that right?) and "our savior" thing, donnies is betrayed by the only one he trusted- the 'man', frank, who saved his life not once but twice (engine, guy with knife), but gretchen is killed. i think donnie valued her life more than his own. this is also why i think donnie was carrying her body with him at the end- because now that frank was dead (and he doesn't appear for donnie for the whole rest of the movie after the gun scene, see above for that), she is the only one left in the world keeping him attached to reality. i think until this point, donnie thought he was going to live, but instead accepts death as the universal collapse takes him back in time.
Also, here's a litle tidbit- in back to the future, when marty's wife sees her future self, it seems that doc's theory that the universe collapses when the same two people encounter each other is wrong. If this is so, than dead frank could have still been there with donnie- but, after seeing that saving donnie from being crushed by the engine changed absolutely nothing, he decides to leave donnie to die in his bed. otherwise, frank could have kept going back and saving donnie, making a big never ending circle. but then again, if this is true, then that would mean that the two dead franks existing in the same dimension did not cause a universal collapse, and if this is true, what really caused the rip in the sky to occur? Ahh man i haven't thought this much in a long time lol
>>By somethingbetter (Tuesday, 29 Jun 2004 11:13)
just read the first page of this discussion board and the guy who wrote the long explanation seems to know what he's talking about......... from the perspective of someone who reads another's theory and accepts it as fact, the film was kinda wierd and open to interpretation....... i wont bore or offend anyone with mine but one thing i will say for definate is ................................ i LOVE that "mad world" song
snootchie bootchies :0)
>>By kurn-ell (Thursday, 1 Jul 2004 07:15)
Frank is a vision of the future that Donnie has he isn't actually humanly there it's donnie's mind seeing him and showing him what will happen in the future. Because of Donnie's mental problems, there not meant to be there and because of these problems Donnie has for example sleepwalking it affected the entire equation of the universe destroying it graduallyt because Donnie didn't die when he was supposed to I may be wrong though
>>By shazza_binks (Thursday, 1 Jul 2004 11:08)
Someone asked about Deus Ex Machina:
"In some ancient Greek drama, an apparently insoluble crisis was solved by the intervention of a god, often brought on stage by an elaborate piece of equipment. This "god from the machine" was literally a deus ex machina.
Few modern works feature deities suspended by wires from the ceiling, but the term deus ex machina is still used for cases where an author uses some improbable (and often clumsy) plot device to work his or her way out of a difficult situation. When the cavalry comes charging over the hill or when the impoverished hero is relieved by an unexpected inheritance, it's often called a deus ex machina. "
some nice theories, and clearly a lot of time and thought spent on this discussion.
i agree with a lot of the points raised. however, why is it so hard for people to think that maybe donnie is laughing at the end because he knows everything thing is going to be ok and he is happy for the first time in his life? just a thought of my own.
e only seen the film once (about 40 mins ago) and i managed to grasp the outline of the plot, but after visiting the web site and reading many posts on here it is quite obvious that there is far more to the film than what is projected into your living room.
>>By Evil Lamb (Saturday, 17 Jul 2004 20:28)
0 = 0
0 + 1 = 0 + 1
1 = 1
1 - 1 = 1 - 1
0 = 0
This is an example of how one may understand how each dimension works. In a math equation, what happens to one side must happen to the other. Each side of the equation must always have identical actions. In the movie, Donnie Darko, the jet engine that crosses from one dimension to the other must have an identical engine come through at the same time. This would keep from any dimension collapsing from two of the same existing entities. This is one explanation to the jet engine dilema.
Also, in string theorey, dimensions can be layered like stacked pancakes. This would allow such a portal to open in any area. And, if a portal ripped, it must allow two entities to pass through perfectly in synchronization. If a portal would open, and any entity were to pass through, each dimension would be safe from collapse and the identical entities would not disrupt time.
Please, if you want to tear me apart limb from limb, do that for me :). I like to learn...
>>By Dave Iacono (Tuesday, 20 Jul 2004 21:09)
And one more thing, who was the dude in the orange suit??????????
>>By Dave Iacono (Tuesday, 20 Jul 2004 21:11)
I think the "dude in the orange suit" is one of the crash investigators.
I am new to this discussion and i have just finished going through all the previous postings. Do you guys realize that nearly everything that has been said in the last few pages has been said previously?
I suggest that some of you go back and read through the previous discussions, sorry but it is getting a bit repetitive!
And to SOMETHINGBETTER what does Back to the Future have to do with Donnie Darko?
How can you use theories on time travel from an entirely different movie and apply them to this film?
Do you think Back To The Future is some sort of "bible" of time travel? lol
>>By john21 (Wednesday, 21 Jul 2004 02:02)
Dude in the orange suit is an FAA worker btw. I've seen the movie... 13 times now, once with richard kelly/jake gyllenhal (spelling?), and you know... there's no answer. That's the only real answer. It's a paradox. lol and hey if we're gonna go on time travel fiction, why not use everything we can? I could've tied Butterfly Effect and Frequency in if I wanted. The only difference between Donnie Darko and other movies when it comes to time travel, is that this is the only movie where you are told for a FACT that the future will be better if you go back and change it. No one is supposed to tamper with the fourth dimension, but the messengers (Frank, if you like) felt this was extremely improtant to do, so it must have been. Also, maybe this Tangent Universe thing isn't so crazy after all. In Back to the Future, Frequency, and Butterfly Effect they never stay in the past for more than 4 weeks. Just a thought.
>>By somethingbetter (Thursday, 22 Jul 2004 19:57)
Thanks somethingbetter but i already said the guy was a crash investigator!
And how do you know there is no answer, you mean that is your opinion, and we have only your word for it that you saw the film in such exalted company...lol And even if you did, do you think they would tell YOU anything?
And i have to raise the point again, why do you use completely different movies as a reference for this film? I'm sorry but that makes no sense to me at all. They are works of fiction! NOT REAL! SCIENTIFICALLY UNSOUND! They have no bearing on this movie!
Well it can only be one of 2 things, either a tangent universe or a dream. The dream is easy to explain so obviously the tangent universe is more interesting to debate.
And plenty of people have tried to explain it in previous messages but thus far i haven't seen a theory that i couldn't knock holes in!
>>By john21 (Friday, 23 Jul 2004 00:22)
Wow. I am so surprised to see that that there are so many posts on Donnie Darko. Sorry if I am repeating stuff, but there is no way I am going to read all 25 of those comments. I first seen the movie, oh two years ago? Yeah, that's about right.
So basically I just wanted to leave my comment: My opinion:
Anyone who thinks that the movie is about time travel, alternate universes or dimensions is mistaken. They are only the context that the movie is placed in, if that had been the point of the movie R. Kelly would have explained it better. The movie is actually about existence. Why do we exist? Are we alone? Donnie Darko travels the hero’s journey which leads him to his death. His sacrifice is his reason for existing.
Why have a book about time travel if the movie is not about it? Well, consider the book, the Manipulated dead, manipulated living, living receiver; they are all descriptions of duties, of reasons for existence. Yada yada..
Basically the movie was a metaphor….. In my opinion. Carry on.
>>By OpheliasViolets (Monday, 26 Jul 2004 23:47)
Great, great movie. One that I own and will continue to watch over the years. And to the moron that posted about almost hanging themselves over the movie.. blame something else for your stupidity and self-pity.. don't blame entertainment..
>>By ninfanchris (Wednesday, 28 Jul 2004 00:46)
Ophelia it's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but i think your view of the movie is rather simplistic. Yes part of the story was as you said about the meaning of life, why are we here..yada yada
But it was only PART of the story, not all of it. If that's all you took from the film then i am sorry for you, because you obviously didn't fully understand it.
>>By john21 (Wednesday, 28 Jul 2004 14:10)
bottom line, this was one great weird movie.....hands down..coca
>>By coca (Thursday, 29 Jul 2004 18:21)
i have been looking for this movie for about a year ever since the first time i saw it, and i finally just broke down and bought it online. I can not wait for it to come in.
>>By Mystic Gohan (Wednesday, 11 Aug 2004 04:32)
Has anyone watched the new Director's Cut of the film? I haven't and I'm just wondering how it compares to the original. If it's just the deleted scenes on the DVD reworked and re-edited into the film than it's really no big deal, I guess. Just wondering, though.
>>By The Walrus (Wednesday, 25 Aug 2004 18:55)
alot of people have questioned why donny had 2 save the "primary universe" why did the primary universe go wrong? surely the Primary Universe went wrong because of the closley connected Tangent Universe created when people stopped following theyre destiny. therefore it wasnt god's fault that the plane crashed into Donnys house or that the world was going to end.
god wasnt trying to teach people a lesson, it was mankinds fault that the world was going to end and god sent Frank to help Donny save the world.
This goes back 2 the same theory many other people have had how Donny represents Jesus dying to save the world. in the Jesus story god sent Jesus to save the world- God sent Frank to save the world through Donny. In the Jesus story the world needed saving because of mankinds sins, in Donny Darko the world needed saving because mankind had deserted theyre course of destiny.
so there u go a pretty long winded explination (im good at those) but basically ppl caused the rift in the primary universe not god- well thats my opinion anyway.
>>By Beth88 (Thursday, 26 Aug 2004 18:43)
u know...theres always the chance that all this talk is just completely irrevalant, wut if theyre was no real hidden message in this movie, wut if donnie after just taking his pills, drifts off creates this entire thing in his head, and then in some ironic twist of fate...it actually happens.
>>By Sshadowing (Friday, 27 Aug 2004 05:31)
i think this film is good....but over rated. enough said.
>>By quiet-kid (Friday, 27 Aug 2004 06:12)
actually not enough said....
Chut Up!...Now thats enough said.
>>By quiet-kid (Friday, 27 Aug 2004 06:15)
beth, in my opinion frank wasnt sent by god, frank is god, or god is frank more or less he took the form of him, frank from the other dimension didnt come to warn donnie, it was god himself.
>>By Sshadowing (Friday, 27 Aug 2004 12:42)
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