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Does anyone know who says this, and why?
Thankie-very-muchie!
>>By Kitaro (Saturday, 3 May 2003 05:09)
Donnie says Deus Ex Machina when Frank is driving up at the end. if you think about it, both meanings of the phrase could apply.
>>By Alora (Saturday, 3 May 2003 05:40)
Perhaps Donnie was meant to die on Oct 2nd either way and that the 28 days after were God's way of giving Donnie something that he had not yet had a chance to achieve - happiness. The night he dies, God creates this alternate reality, one where God calls Donnie out and saves him from dying. Frank says "I've been watching you" almost suggesting that Frank/God knows how Donnie has been feeling. Having "saved" Donnie, God then proceeds to give him 28 days, 6 hours, 42 minutes, and 12 seconds. God has it set that Gretchen picks the seat next to Donnie (by the teacher's suggestion to sit next to the boy she thinks is the cutest). I also think that perhaps God is creating all of this for a reason, having Donnie burn down Jim's house and then Frank, while driving drunk, killing the girl and Donnie shooting him. These are all things that he has to do while he achieves this happiness that God has given him time to find. The "portal" that is shown to Donnie in the theater I believe is actually the way to heaven - what is waiting for Donnie once the realities are returned to normal.
Some other things I found that can be contorted into this sort of view. When the family is in the Hotel and the dad is talking to the mom about Frankie Fiedler and how he had died on the way to the prom after he stated that he was doomed. This perhaps suggests that this was not the first occurance of this sort of thing happening. He then says "Jesus, they could have said the same thing about Donnie" almost suggesting that he is "doomed" to die.
The first bathroom scene Frank states "I can do anything I want, and so can you". This to me suggests that Frank is openly saying he's God and that what Donnie does now won't change anything.
Of course my theory does not support the conversation he has in the bathroom Donnie: "why did you make me flood the school?" Frank: "They are in great danger" Donnie: "Where do you come from?" Frank: "Do you believe in time travel?"
>>By kagegod (Saturday, 3 May 2003 10:58)
I'm new here, just thought I'd add a bit too all these ideas! =)
I've seen a bunch of awesome theories, most of which I agree, but the website (www.donniedarko.com) is extremely helpful in analysing the movie!
In a section of the website there are 12 red dots, one for each seperate chapter, and each titled. In The Living Receiver it states "No one knows how or why a living receiver is chosen," & in Notes it states who is the Living Receiver, obviously Donnie Darko! "The Living Receiver is often tormented by terrifying dreams, visions, and auditory hallucinations during his time with the Tangent Universe." Which explains Frank the Bunny (or Frank Anderson)... which is why I don't believe that he's a God figure or anything like I've seen stated a couple times, only because of the power the
Manipulated dead have over the Living Receiver....Read on, lol. I also don't believe that Donnie is a schizophrenic or anything, it's just that for the unknown reason that Donnie is chosen as the Living Receiver, the hallucinations, weird thoughts, actions, etc, come with the territory! =P
The Manipulated Living are simply the close friends/relatives/neighbours of the Living Receiver who are affected by the weird stuff happening to Donnie! The Manipulated Dead are Frank Anderson & Gretchen Ross, who manipulate the Living Receiver. Both of these people die @ the end, before Donnie turns back time. I don't think the reason Donnie time-travelled was really to save Gretchen's life, because for a part of this story her death was inevitable, because she was a Manipulated Dead, which I'm sure was predestined.
In another section of the website it says Noah Wyle's character... Kenneth Monnitoff?! Anyway, he dies in 1999, and he had worked w/ NASA and has been part of the CIA before becoming a teacher. I have no idea how this links to anything, maybe he was linked with the airplane crash or something? I dunno...any ideas? Anyone?
I've seen a lot of comments on how god's linked to the plot of the film, but I'm not clear on how =/ I guess because destiny appears to be a big theme of the film, but I don't see how the characters are symbolized through jesus' resurrection or judas' betrayal or anything like that. My opinion's pretty limited, I've only seen the movie once without subtitles or anything like that, but whoever has any elaborations on this, please reply!
>>By HKG (Saturday, 3 May 2003 18:24)
Oops, not subtitles, but director's comments or whatever. And another thing, on the website where it says "you have found me... Remember the word?" --- does anyone have the answer? It's killing me! Thanks!
-HKG
>>By HKG (Saturday, 3 May 2003 18:29)
Unbelievable great movie, have seen it about 3 times. Does anyone know which music is played in the cinemapart, and at the end of the movie. I think it's something like Dead can dance/Lisa Gerrard, but I can't find the track.
>>By Ron (Sunday, 4 May 2003 01:35)
HGK, go to ruinedeye and there is an aid for the DD website if yoy are havin problems. Ron, there are also some songs from the movie, with part of the lyrics posted on the website. It's a great website and there are also some great pictures on the website.
I also found a website that has ringtones for cellphones from the movie. If you want the ringtones go to carpathianridge.com
Hope the website helps.
>>By SSD (Sunday, 4 May 2003 08:21)
Well, the most brilliant thing about this movie is the many different interpretations you can give to it without moving beyond the constraints set by the movie itself (and the website). Let me
write down how I interpret stuff myself. It's mostly nothing new, but I like to write down for myself how I interpret this also :)
First of, after I read the webpage, my previous interpretations were shot down (assuming these were written by the writer as part and/or underground of the story ). For some people this took away
something from the movie, but for me only it added something, a quite unique other perspective I didn't consider before.
In short, this is what I concluded after watching it 2 times, but before reading the website : How the timetravel worked, I didn't think on - I just assumed that it just worked as you saw in the
movie and that Donnie had some unusual control over wurmholes. In the movie, all Donnie's loved ones are caused great grief as a result of his actions. Because he sets fire to Swayse's character's
house, his mother and sister die in a planecrash. Because he brings Gretchel to Grandma Death's place, she gets killed by Frank. And of course I don't have to explain what his involvement was with
his big sister's boyfriend early demise. He actually forces his own death in another parallel universe by killing the guy who will travel back in time to safe him (Frank), so that he cannot cause anymore grief to his loved ones. The end of the world the bunny is talking about is actually the end of Donnie's world (ie. his death). This theory was strengthened (or maybe kickstarted)because of this line in the lyrics of Mad World : "The Dreams in which I die in, are the best I ever had". Of course, this interpretation has many loopholes and leaves many many things unexplained, but hey it was all I could come up with.
After reading the website, I realized I missed the most important question of the movie, namely "Does God exist?". In the movie, this question is phrased as "Are we alone when we die?". When Donnie talks with his psychiatrist about what Grandma Death told him, "All living creature are alone when they die" it becomes clear that at least to them, "dying alone" means that there is no God (I would not give that meaning to that so easily myself, but maybe that has to do with the fact that I am atheist and/or English is not my first language). To Donnie, it is clear
that if there would be a God, EVERYTHING that happened would be God's will. That in the end all things, how destructive and bad they may be, serve the greater goal (in this case, a very obvious
one, the saving of all of creation).
A further point that strengthens the "God's Will" or fate philosophy is how universes are described in the "The Philosophy Of Time Travel" :
"The primary universe is fraught with great peril. War, plague, famine and natural disaster are common. Death comes to us all.
The Fourth Dimension of Time is a stable construct, though it is not impenetrable.
Incidents when the fabric of the fourth dime(n)sion becomes corrupted are incredibly rare.
If a Tangent Universe occurs, it will be highly unstable, sustaining itself for no longer than several weeks.
Eventually it will collapse upon itself, forming a black hole within the Primary Universe capable of destroying all existence."
This implies that, unlike in most other time travel movies, there are no countless parallel universes for every probability that may or may not occur (for instance, in one universe you take coffee
one day, in another universe you take tea that day - both universes existing next to eachother, both leading to different futures), but there is one primary universe and tangent universes only
occur from freak occurances. That leads you to believe that how things are going in the primary universe are how things are planned by God, in other words, normally everything is predestined. When
a corruption in the fourth dimension (the fourth dimension is time) occurs, God's will has not be done and a tangent universe is created which will eventually collapse and create a black hole in
the primary universe, which is capable of destroying all of creation.
First, the engine falling through Darko's house must not be seen as the cause of the corrupted fourth dimension, but a result of the corrupted dimension. The corruption cannot be logically
explained, as the corruption should not happen in the first place.
So, Donnie's task is to prevent the end of the world. Unlike some here think, this is not achieved by stopping the engine from falling in the primary universe, on the contrary.
"Artifacts provide first sign that a Tangent Universe has occured.
If an Artifact occurs, the Living will retrieve it with great interest and curiosity. Artifacts are formed from metal, such as an Arrowhead from an ancient Mayan civilisation, or a Metal Sword from
Medieval Europe.
Artifacts returned to the Primary Universe are often linked to religious Iconography, as their appearance on Earth seems to defy logical explanation.
Divine intervention is deemed the only logical conclusion for the appearance for the Artifact."(The Philosophy Of Time Travel)
As you can see, the jetengine is only a sign that a tangent universe has occured. From the moment the engine falls through the roof, the movie is taking place in the tangent universe (or more precisely, the moment Donnie is awoken by Frank). Now, I am not
gonna quote any more of the Philosophy of Time Travel, read it please to understand the following.
The Mayan and Medieval Knight that died are probably receivers, just as Donny is. Franky the Bunny is a Manipulated Dead, his task is to manipulate Donnie (the Receiver) to return the Artifact (the
engine) to the Primary Universe. As I see it, Manipulated Dead are Angels, with the power to greatly influence fate (in the tangent world), as much as is needed to achieve the goal.
An interesting tidbit to me is that in the primary universe, Donnie just dies. The reason he got out of his bed, is because of the Manipulated Dead (Frank) who called him. This would not have
happened in the primary universe, because a Manipulated Dead would not be there. This also sheds some light on why Donny is chosen as Receiver. He is the person that dies because of the artifact. The mayan and the medieval knight died from the
artifacts too (spearhead and sword), so it seems that artifacts always kill a person too and it probably always is the Receiver who dies in the Primary Universe because of the artifact's
appearance. It makes sense that the receiver cannot live on in the primary universe.
Thus, as explained before, Frank guides Donnie through some events to end up to the place he needs to be. Frank's achievements are primarly hooking Gretchel and Donnie up (flooding the school) and
being sure Donnie gets into a position to kill Frank (by setting fire to Swayse's house, his mum has to go chaperone the dance team, thus being able to throw the halloween party, thus having Frank
kill Gretchel, thus killing him), since Frank's death is required, so he can go be the all powerfull Manipulated Dead that saves Donnie's life in the TANGENT universe.
It's interesting to see the difference in how Frank and Gretchel work. Frank pretty much orders Donnie around, without telling him why and Gretchel just seems to give information to Donnie so he
can make the proper decision later.
Once Frank is dead, the most important thing has yet to happen, the return of the artifact to the primary universe. I do think that Donnie does rip off the jetengine with telekinese. Or maybe it
was enough that his mum on sister were on the plane and that that somehow influenced its journey back to the primary universe. I don't see how though. Anyway, engine goes back, Donnie gets killed,
BUT I do think he remembers all that has happened in the tangent universe (justifies killing him, no ? ;) ) and that he smiles because he knows that he won't die alone(in other words, he has seen evidence of God).
Well, that is it I think, sorry it is this longwinded.
I do have some questions still though.
What is Roberta Sparrow's role in this ? She seems to be a prophet, with information coming directly from God, on the other hand, she is the one that tells Donny that all living creatures die alone
in this world. But, THAT world was the tangent world, which technically isn't God's world.
And I am still puzzled as to what the significance was of Donnie's mother and sister being on the plane that loses the engine. The plane was most likely the vessel that took the artifact into the
primary universe and thus it may be that Donny himself did not move the engine and therefore causing the events that made Rose chaperone the girls was the actual deed that guided the Artifact to
the primary universe. Still, this kinda irritates me, I cannot pinpoint HOW Donnie made the artifact go to the primary universe.
Another thing, was Jesus Christ the first receiver, or are all the receivers just modelled after Christ as 'saviors' ?
In conclusion, anything that makes me think THIS much, is art worth to be remembered for hundreds of years.
>>By CR (Sunday, 4 May 2003 19:51)
Excuse the formatting on top of being longwinded.
>>By CR (Sunday, 4 May 2003 19:56)
I think ultimately Roberta Sparrow's role in the movie was to be in the middle of the road so that Frank killed Gretchen. I'm sure that there is a more underlying role that she plays but had she not somehow known the future and known the letter from Donnie was going to come, she'd not have been in the road, Frank would not have swerved to miss her and Gretchen would not have been killed (thus Donnie would not have killed Frank). By this point though, I think Donnie understands what must be done and kills Frank without hesitation (if you notice the expression on his face, he does not have grief or seem to be upset about Gretchen dying)
>>By bob the slob (Monday, 5 May 2003 05:05)
Okay I have a few questions if anyone wants to take a stab at them.
Like many of you, I have seen the film, visited the website, and read most of the talk that has gone on here. My questoins are as follows:
1. At what point (do you think) does Donnie realize that Gretchen and Frank are both Manipulated Dead?
2. (just to get it straight) Gretchen and Frank are Manipulated Dead, and therefore can travel back in time to "guide" Donnie to return the Artifact, because in the tangent reality Frank hits Gretchen with the car resulting in Donnie shooting Frank in the eye. Is that straight?
3. The movie, from the moment Frank tells Donnie to get out of bed, is in the tangent world. In the Primary reality Donnie dies when we first see the house shake.
4. In the final scenes when the camera flashes to some of the parties involved (in the tangent reality), are they then experiancing memories (however strong) of the alternate reality? For instance, Frank touches his eye, the science professor sitting up in bed rubbing his head, Gretchen and Donnies mom wave as if they know eachother and shared the love of Donnie at one time. It said in the book, Philosophy of Time Travel, that those who have gone between the Primary and Tangent Universes will not remember the journy. This depending on their involvement. Still shakey about that one.
5. This one is the one that keeps me up at night (so help would be very helpful to me and my finals) Old Lady Death. Raberta Sparrow seemed to be either a prophet along the way to returning the artifact, or she could have been a previous reciever. Now, if she was a prophet, everything would make (a little) more sense than if she was a reciever that chose to live instead of to correct the screw up between universes. The latter is supported by the comment that she made to Donnie; "Everyone dies alone". This suggests (however loosly) that she regrets making the choice to save herself. Now if that is true, here is my problem. Donnie chose to set things straight by dying in his room and everything was back in order in the end (as far as the Primary Universe goes). What happened to the Primary Universe if Sparrow chose to save herself instead of erasing the inevitable black hole that would be creation? Does the Tangent Universe become the Primary Universe and everything goes on from there or does everything dissappear?
Loosing Much Needed Sleep,
Irish Guy
>>By Irish Guy (Monday, 5 May 2003 07:12)
1. I think he knows it either when he reads Frank's note on the fridge or when Frank steps out of the car.
2. Anybody who dies in the tangent universe (and are involved somehow with the Receiver, I guess) WILL be Manipulated Dead. So, if a Manipulated Living dies, it automatically will become a Manipulated Dead. I think Gretchen barely uses her powers as Manipulated Dead.
3. Yes
4. Their experiences MAY come back in dreams, although many will not remember. I think Swayse and Frank sure seem to remember, but Frank will probably not remember acting as Manipulated Dead. This is pure speculation and I think the only thing the scene tells us is that they DO remember some of it and the rest is open to interpretation.
5. Well, in my opinion she is a prophet and knows that these corruptions of the 4th dimension MIGHT happen, but she does not know when or where, she only knows the theory behind these events.
Of course, it is not an accident that she is involved in this one, so I think God knew of the corruption far before it happened.
I do not think she is a receiver. All indications say that receivers die and she obviously didn't. She may have been a Manipulated Living or Dead in a previous corruption, but that still does not explain the amount of detail with which she can describe timetravel.
I say she is a prophet.
>>By CR (Monday, 5 May 2003 14:40)
Bah, another double post, I forgot to add this to your 5th question Irishguy :
If she was a failed receiver, the tangent universe would've collapsed on itself, creating a black hole in the primary universe. Now the book says it is capable of destroying creation, but not that it will, so it is not impossible that it might've happened. I find it very unlikely though, surely history would have had records of the damage the black hole had done.
>>By CR (Monday, 5 May 2003 14:44)
yo man the songs where gary jules mad world thts the one i think u mean and the otha 2 where slipping away and killing moon the one tht like goes "all around me ar fimiliar faces warn out places warn out placesss'lol is mad world
>>By snowliquo (Monday, 5 May 2003 15:38)
u guys gotta undastand tho he knew exacly who frank was n he knew he was shootin frank so it kinna contridicts itself as y would he shoot frank if he knew who he was and that he would shoot him, also that parallel universe shit is crap and honestly he explains 2 his shrink that he followed the wormholes so isint it kinna strange how he couldnt follow the wormholes before that and kinna figure the hole thing out and where EXACLY does he say dues ex machine sum ppl r sayin its when hes got his gf in the car others say its when hes bein attacked u know im a bit lost wit this and its got nutin to do wit ghost im spanish/latino and it doesnt mean ghost or anythin and i know fluewent Portuguese and Spanish it means machine was the former god uv totally derived it rong, peace
>>By snowliquo (Monday, 5 May 2003 15:51)
Once again, the Deus ex machina quote comes when the guy is on top of donnie and frank is driving up in his car. the guy on top of donnie asks him what he is saying.
on another note...i could be realllly reaching here but it always strikes me that the invention donnie and gretchen come up with is called IMGs which sounds very similar to I am Jesus. Any comments?
>>By Alora (Tuesday, 6 May 2003 04:49)
Did nobody else spot the ET parallels?
People wonder why it is set at Halloween - well, Donnie's clothing is exactly the same as Elliot's in ET! And he rides his bike at one point exactly as they do in ET. And Drew Barrymore is in it - she was one of the producers, so probably put in the ET references.
>>By Matt (Tuesday, 6 May 2003 16:27)
This movie rocks!
My biggest stumbling block has been figuring out Frank's motivations. Why did he get Donnie out of bed if that act would prevent him from getting killed by the jet engine, and thus create the tangent universe, only to spend the rest of the movie nudging Donnie back toward restoring the primary universe?
After watching the movie a second time, I realized something--it begins with Donnie waking up out on the hillside, out of bed. When he got home, the board on the refrigerator said "Where's Donnie?" In other words, he was already sleepwalking (sleep golfing? hehe) regularly without Frank's intervention. Everyone here has been assuming--as I had--that if Frank had not called Donnie out, that Donnie would've been in bed and been killed by the jet engine. But maybe he would've gone sleepwalking anyway, and missed dying anyway. Note that when Donnie goes back to October 2 and goes to bed, we see him smile and get under the covers, but we don't know that h ever gets fast asleep before the engine crashes. I actually rather like the idea that he was awake when he died--this representing his conscious choice to accept this particular destiny.
Another Frank-related note: the injury to his eye is archetypal. In Norse mythology, Odin lost one eye--but the loss of the physical eye allowed him to prophetically "see" in other worlds.
And the blinded eye, along with Cherita's earmuffs, remind me of the Biblical concept of having "ears to hear" or "eyes to see" a deeper truth embedded in a parable.
>>By laughingstock (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 01:57)
P.S. Someone had been asking about the significance of the year, '88.
Maybe this is another 'Back to the Future' thing, because "88" was the speed at which the car had to go in order to achieve time travel.
Just a thought.
>>By laughingstock (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 02:22)
So let me get this straight.... The Manipulated dead are:
Frank
Gretchen
Donnie's Mum
Donnie's Little Sister....
If you watch the film... they do all manipulate Donnie in their own way.... esp. Grecthen with the sex and kissing thing......
PS. Is there any way that Roberta is The Living Reciever and all the Manipulated dead are trying to survive... na think that is way to out there... Dust off the DVD for the 15th time me thinks....
>>By JB (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 03:43)
laughingstock hey man bout ur frank idea its kinna a contridiction cause sure frank saved him and that caused donnie to live and later kill him but why would frank visit him in the first place to save him because at that time frank wasnt dead, and if the angel theory that every beleives round here is true then if he did save himself he wouldnt be a angel ah sounds like a load of crap best way i could descripe wht i was thinkn tho, and to make it really basic if he did live then grethen or wateva would still b alive and donnie wouldnt be angry and if he wasnt angry then in the case where people beleive that he time traveled he wouldnt because he would be content with what he had and if he was seing his future at that time he would run out of bed anyway so if you know it would like upset the hole balance thing.peace
>>By snowliquo (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 12:12)
Hi guys your on the right track Iv been cycling through the Donnie Darko forums and havent yet seen anyone as close as you guys to uncovering the real mystery of the film, working with Richard was not a easy task as we where on a farely tight budget but we managed, I worked with Richard Kelly mainly on the story plot and helped him edit the final cut.As much as Id love to give it all away i couldnt but i saw the last few posts and there has been allot of confusion about Frank and about some of the main idea's( a tip to all you cunning film studiers is that the movie has no relation to god or parallel universes). you have all seemed to jump to the conclusion that donnie controls the aircraft engine and then jumps across time to the scene where we see him laughing in bed, however he has not jumped time but in a complete revolution of contridiction he has seen his future as he did with the wormholes and laughs at how silly it all looks. There is also a big link between the chinese girl with the ear muths and donnies idea that everyone dies alone,the earmuths are symbolistic of her solarity and how she is alone.
>>By Steve mathardi (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 12:43)
And just so you guys now the site is totally irrelivant to the movie Rich decided that the longer it took for people to begin to understand the film the better and its really meant to divert you father from the trueth .
>>By Steve mathardi (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 12:48)
Sorry if this has been answered earlier but I just wanted to field these questions while they were fresh in my head. You see there has been alot of interesting insights fro you people but they frequently seem to contradict themseIves and each other. What I want to know... Is the film really about the apocalypse of is it just about Donnie's role in exsistence coming to fruition because he is about to die? (ie his world ending) was his time travel experience just to let him know how life would be if he didn't die under the jet engine from the tangent universe? (full of pain and destruction) If not then why didn't he just die in the first place, obviously because that would lead us to a rather unsubstantial film, but with exception to that if he gets killed by it after his journey through time, then is the jet engine really from the future? And will there be all the same questions surronding his death as there was when the engine landed in the first place? if it was Donnie's destiny to be crushed by that engine then why did Frank save him?
There is too many questions and plenty of good answers but the more theories that are decided the more loopholes in the initial plot, I think their is probably something alot simpler behind it which has cleverly eluded people into believing it's something far more complex.
>>By ........<>........ (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:36)
oh yeah, and another thing I have been reading through the arguments and it's really impressive what some people have discovered I couldn't work out half those ideas but one thing which I was discussing with someone was... If Donnie's death were to be for the good of mankind (not that I think it was) then what about the justice that he did whilst living, he revealed Cunningham's dark secret, he was a guy who so many people were putting there faith in when all the while the guy was imagining sleeping with their children. Would this have gone undiscovered now that Donnie has died.
Perhaps the film was an angle on what happens when you take one person out the picture as so many time related studies have been before.
>>By ........<>........ (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:56)
Question- I keep thinking that maybe the tangent universe is stuck in a cycle....In order for Frank to be the manipulated dead, the events in the tangent universe would have to occur first (Frank getting shot by Donnie in the end)....then, Frank would have to go back to Oct. 2nd, only to relive the events that caused his demise. So, is there a sub-tangent universe? Which came first? The chicken or the egg....Am I making any sense?
Thanks,
Shady Lane (Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:30)
Did you guys notice that during the Cunning Visions program, Jim Cunningham pats that little kid's ass after he hugs him?
>>By Bishop (Thursday, 8 May 2003 09:47)
Hear ye, hear ye. When the engine hit the house, as far as I'm concerned, Donnie's dead. The point where he wakes up on the golf course is the beginning of his afterlife. (Pay attention, read this slow, whatever.) At the end it shows the 'real-life' scene with the family crying outside. After this (at the end) scene it never said that they didn't find the plane that crashed, the movie just ended because it's obvious that - that is the 'real-life' scene and the plane with the lost engine would be discovered. Donnie's dead and he needs awnsers. He plays out his afterlife just like now, YOU reading this, you don't know for a fact that you are alive or dead or this is your afterlife and you are just imagining everything you see and creating it with your mind as you go along. So Donnie plays out his own afterlife. More evidence; at the end his 'girlfriend' says that she didn't even know Donnie. At the end when it shows the mom and daughter in the plane, tell me, how could that mother and daughter be in that plane (when it was light out) and be sleeping inside the house (when it was dark out)? OK, so what do we know? We know that the director left out, at the very end, whatever information he wanted to - to make everyone who watches it come to their own conclusion of the movie making this one of the best films of all time. Thank you. -Yours truly, the thinker guy
>>By Austin Stusalitus (Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:56)
For all of you who dont quite understand here is how it is.(in a short note)
The engine is an artifact which falls into a tanjent universe which only exist for short periods of time , in this case 28days or whatecer it was.To guide the engine(artifact) back to the primary world a living reciver "LR" is needed(donnie).NOw all thosse close to donne become affected .they exist within two catagories , the manipulated living(semi powerful) "ML" and the manipulated dead (very powerful) "MD" .The MD can show the LR the way to send the artifact back to the normal world but exist behind or use WATER (you know that bit where donnie sees frank in the bathroom behind water.He also shows him through thoses chest spears (again water).
The LR has several powers including being able to conjure up water and fire giving the reason why he floods the school and burns the house...you see..
When donnie says Deu ex machina is because he knows hes not going to die and that the MD (not yet dead in the tandjent universe) will save the situation...eh ha.
In the end donnie laughs because hes completed his mission and learnt that every living creature does not die alone .He through the help of those in the 4 dimention has saved the primary universe.Those ML who have existed within the tandjent universe are strongly affected by the experience some remember more than others.Thats why the camera pans through them all at the end .It is also why gretchan waves to rose darko as if she know or remembers her....an exellent film its good that you guys discuss this film i now know that some people think like me atd that im not alone.
take care and thin of this...
is the forth dimention heaven..was frank a messinger of him..goodbye
>>By Your Saviour (Thursday, 8 May 2003 15:37)
Bishop...yeah that's definitely a hint at jim's darker yearnings. i could watch the cunning visions program over and over. it's hilarious.
Austin...the reason why it's light outside the plane and dark at the house is cause they are at different times. the engine falls into the house at midnight. when rose and sam are in the plane flying over the house it's close to 7 or 8.
>>By Alora (Thursday, 8 May 2003 20:51)
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