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Wow, some really excellent comments here, so glad that I read through to the end to get the one about the Cube being a pathway into heaven, that was insightful. The one about Prisons was also interesting. I guess about halfway through that the cubes were moving, but am gonna have to revise some math quickly to work out the notation explaining how their movement is governed.
Funny, I was initially rooting for the leader, until he turned Psycho Boy. And yes, I agree about what someone was saying about people not even bothering to work out if numbers are prime, I was throwing out the evens right from the start.
Anyway, keep the comments coming.
>>By Rubics (Monday, 12 May 2003 01:59)
I dont get all you people saying its great.. it makes the mistake of being MADE for the hidden meanings.. making you look for them (even if you cant find them) as soon as you start watching. Its whole purpose was obviously to try and say something about how you dont always know who your fellow humans are or something but its too obvious and no plot. a great movie should be purely story based and then when you watch it over and over THEN you notice hidden things (bladerunner).. theres nothing hidden in this movie. it was made for the "symbolic" side but completely forgot about any plot at all! who did this to them? what was on the outside? how were they kidnapped without knowledge? without these elements there is no story.. only psychobabble metaphors riddled into a slice of a group of people you dont knows life. people who think its great because they relate it to situations outside the movie are thinking their smart but are falling into the trap of exactly what the directors wanted.. they wanted to make a "i feel smart for seeing these hidden meanings" movie but make it avalible to the masses so even dumb people could find them and think its an intelligent movie. all you people that stayed up talking about it to people for like 1.5 hours after... what?? basically it needs a story foremost and THEN you can start thinking about symbolism! the movie is like a daydream and because nothing is resolved or found out in this movie you find yourself trying to figure out its meaning and then thinking to yourself "actually.. who cares? its so unrealistic it wouldnt even matter if i did solve anything and would be useless". maybe if you saw life on the outside then you would care about understanding its meaning, but it would probably be another obvious symbol like being a cube inside a cube or something lame to make you think its sooo cleaver so why bother. oh and people who actually even thought about calculating the numbers for themselfs?... sad! good idea but needs a beginning and an end.. or some flashbacks to their lives so you can relate to them and not just think its a pointless dream. oh and less protrusive and obvious symbolism. cheers.
>>By fil (Monday, 12 May 2003 22:58)
I dont really think that the film was about who the characters were!! It gives you as much information as you need for them. Quentin was just a divorced cop with a couple o' kids that probably did his job alright, the doctor (holloway) was just a single woman doing her job alright as well etc. They were all "normal" people. The thing is that they change when the circumstances change! Things just happen and they might happen for NO reason. Lets not speak about chaos theory but still life is so complicated and has so many "variables" it is almost wrong to say that it is not random. Our existence and the way we are might just be pure luck cause it might have turned out differently and i really dont think there is a supreme force (God) overseing and guiding all this. What i m trying to say (not that fluently i admit) is that things just happen and you have to deal with them. If there is a "why" in the story then it helps you deal them but if there isnt...what do you do? In the same way in physics when you dont know what's happening you just do things because they work and then try to figure it out (various examples in Quantum physics where you can't tell everything but you still have formulas that work and you just apply them)!! AND besides that, you can make up your own "version" of the truth...The cube was an alien construction to experiment on people..or it was government trying to train the ultimate soldier....or it was God deciding of who is worthy of getting into heaven..:p (if you really care i ve analyzed the last case previously, check it out if you want)...In the same way when you read a poem you dont ask about what the poet wanted to tell us, you think about what YOU make of it and what you feel when you read it...anyway, cheers as well :)
>>By BaD_SeeD (Tuesday, 13 May 2003 03:20)
i just don't get how they got there..............or where ever it's at!
i liked the first one there was more energy in it and....sort of made sense. i got a little confused...... i just finished watching the second and i don't get it!!! I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MOVIE
just one more thing............
WHAT'S THE POINT OF THE MOVIE!!!
>>By julita (Saturday, 17 May 2003 14:22)
I like it,
but I hate it. Made me sad and confused.
I will not see it as the second time.
>>By N'Wan (Sunday, 18 May 2003 16:16)
This message is in response to the last message posted by fil.
It is quite obvious to me that someone who would post a message like this has never actually used his/her brain when critically analysing a movie. I completely disagree with what you have said here, perhaps the storyline lacked substance but conceptually is a philosophical masterpiece.
The fact that this movie is so open to interpretation is what made it so great. But what you must understand is that not all movies are made for the single purpose of profit. This is a movie made on a budget that was created to involve the audience in thought, to find the meaning behind the signs. After all it is only human nature to ask question and to be inquisitive. This movie toys with the age old question "why are we here?" and could also be seen as an allegory of purgatory, and there are many more interpretations that could be implied.
The fact is that there are just about as many movie genres as you can poke a stick at, and maybe this movie belonged to one that is just not for you, but hopefully what I have written here will make you view movies in a different way, so that you can appreciate movies on many different levels.
Also I would like to compliment BaD_SeeD on your contributions regarding this film, you have helped me a great deal with my understanding of this film.
Dave
>>By Dave (Wednesday, 11 Jun 2003 07:57)
I spotted this film on display in my local record shop and took the plune and gave it a go, purely an on the spur of the moment purchase. The concept sounded great 6 strangers locked in a cube like prison who require each other to escape!
This is by far the best Sci-Fi film I have ever seen (except Bladerunner). The film is so simple,but fiendishly clever,from the names of the prisoners, to the fact that the autistic kid is the only one to escape. What also helps the film greatly is the fact that unknown actors are used, this helps by not distracting you from the story.
After watching Cube I was salaviting for more, and along comes Cube2 which provides many of the answers which I felt were left unanswered in the First.
And of course Cube 2 leaves the way open for Cube 3
10/10
>>By TheFixer (Monday, 23 Jun 2003 22:37)
Cube 2 explained (spolier )
Dear julita
The second movie is about tying up loose ends, the organisation responsible for making the cube want to erase those people who are linked in someway to it.
For instance the Software programmer who wrote a computer game which resembled the cube, the Private detective who was looking for a missing employee of the company who made the cube, the designer who designed the doors.Its all about leaving no traces, you know like when gangsters kill other members of the gang, who might inform on them.
The other point of the movie is this, the majority of people think that there are only 3 dimensions when infact there are 4, the 4th been time. The cube in Cube2 exists in the 4th Dimension and is therefore unpredictable, a person can decide to catch the train to work, drive, walk,cycle or even not go, so as you can see there are many different paths that person can take, each path has a different outcome, so in theory its plauseable that there are parallel universes each playing out different scenarios.
Thats why in the film some characters die more than once. it is also probable therefore for a further film.
The blind girl by the way holds the key to the cube, and an assasin is sent in to recover that key and again why the assasin is also disposed of in the end.
>>By TheFixer (Monday, 23 Jun 2003 22:52)
Loved the idea, only not the horror side of it.
I invenet such games (best in the world ) but take it to the bright side. looking for investment.
If you are interesting please contact me.
Ophir
mr_o@netvision.net.il
>>By Ophir Atar (Sunday, 29 Jun 2003 16:01)
WIll there be a part 3? Can we have some more skin....this will expand interest to a bigger audience
>>By thegreek (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 19:23)
I'm only 15 and because of that i can already hear most of you ignoring my opinion but i'm going to say some stuff anyway. There was a comment earlier by fil i believa it was, i TOTALLY dissagree with what he says. he's obviously one of those people who only watch a movie to be entertained for its duration... unlike the movies such as cube and to a lesser extent Donnie Darko whick leave you thinking days, weeks even, after the film! personally i enjoy thinking about the cube more than watching the wicked money traps in there, althow the traps were good fun watching too =p. well, thats what i reckon any way. any thought on what i said, mail me at seraph_the_anomaly@hotmail.com -bai ppl -Seraph
>>By a seraph (Thursday, 3 Jul 2003 08:15)
I saw both movies. Im one of those people who are non judgemental of others comments, so some of you may have liked it, hated it, or even loved it to death and overanalysized the movie. Im impartial when it comes to ideas like this.
There may be some hidden meaning about life and the silimarities when associating the "Cube" with heaven or God, Big Brother, the Government, whomever. Regardless, we take it for what it is worth, a movie. Many people dont understand it! Thats a given, because we are conformed to the idea that we have to have a intro, plot, a change, an ending. Others would like to think that a sci fi thriller has to do with aliens or consipiracy, something along those lines. Thematically, I liked what one individual said in this discussion which was "Why are we here??" which doesnt clairify but makes you think.
Regardless, the hangers are there at the ending to let you know cube 3 will be coming. Its only a matter of time...Finally, when going through movies like this, open your mind and have fun with it, overanalysing will drive you to paranoia kevinlwc@juno.com
>>By PRoTege K (Sunday, 6 Jul 2003 20:58)
Hi!
I think its a great movie (however, i do have to say some of the acting is shit!!!).
I dont really think the storyline of cube 2 is strong enoug though. in cube 1, although it was still confusimg, there was a reasonably good storyline. people helped each other to get out of a cube, that had a systematic set of rules. I was happy when they realized that there was one moving cube.
However, in cube 2, there is no such story. I think one might be able to understand it if you have a maths degree, but other explanation was not sufficient. there was no moment were i went "ohh, yeah thats how it all works, how brilliant!".
Also, i think they could have developed the characters a bit more. !!!!!more background information!!!!!.
I think the ending could have been more vague, but the middle of the film (i.e. how they got in there, what it is, what the system is and how it works and so on...) they could have supplied a bit more info.
>>By MasterOfClarinet (Friday, 11 Jul 2003 02:29)
Cube 2: Hypercube
Cube 2: SuperLame
I just rented Cube 2 (never heard about it being shown anywhere, like the first one) and could not contain my disappointment. The first movie was good and had a suspenseful and alien feel to it. The second movie is what happens when the film's writers sell it to someone else for a big chunk of cash. We've seen this phenonmena before with other sequel films, most notably in the case of "Blair Witch Project". This is why small-budget films are usually better than hollywood films: instead of tons of effects, the movie has to make do with a better plot, characters, etc. Cube-2 became a medium budget films and went downhill from there.
The list of complaints are: terrible acting, bad script, lame set design, super-obvious and fake-looking CG-animations, too many characters, extremely half-baked quasi-logical explanation of plot device, lame ending, and more! One of the things that made the first movie so believable was that the traps all had *great* mechanical or CG effects. Cube-2 features some of the most amateur-looking CG I have ever seen. Even the obvious morphs in "Mortal Combat" are better done. The traps are all so obviously CG that it takes all the suspense out of the scene; it doesn't even look like the characters *could* get injured by the lame effects that are better suited in an Atari game. The characters gave more detailed backgrounds about themselves, but to what end? --It had no effect whatsoever on the plot, or at fleshing out the characters, because immediately afterwards, they would revert to a hateful, snarrling state. Also, too many crumbs of information was dropped and they weren't enough. The hapless director attempts to give us the image that some mysterious weapons manufacturer somehow built the 'Cube'. Then they dump that premise and never mention it again. Then, at the end, we get the idea that *some* official-looking group is behind it all, but they leave it right there. While it's all fine and good to leave room for a sequel and to be enigmatic, it is also good to actually give some answers if you're doing to dance around the subect. No. So, instead, they allude to all sorts of 'evil enemy' types without ever pinning it down on any one of them -- and leaving it at that. And what did a *weapons* manufacturer have to do with anything? Why would *they* want to build it in the first place? Plot follow up? --Nope.
Lame. Finally, the dialouge was truly laughable. The only time the characters sounded serious is when they were cussing at each other and anger is not the most difficult emotion to act out. The rest of the time, they were having unconvincing arguments with each other about nothing, really. The script was terrible, but the actor's portrayal comes across as if it's a joke to them.
In a nut-shell, Cube 2: Hypercube is a complete waste of time an money. The effects are pathetic and the cast all seem anthestitized for the entire film. And they leave you with alot of questions that you'll probably never get the answer to. Get something else; I wish I had.
>>By Tzimisce (Wednesday, 23 Jul 2003 11:10)
The cube is the most amasing films which i have ever had the pleasure of witnessing , yes the script may be poor and the acting is sub standerd , but the concept behind the movie is so incredible and mind bogolling that it leads me to believe that the canadian company behind the sucess actually know that there is a cube some where. I love the fact that all the characters names and personalitys are based on prisons .
Hyper cube- God that was dissapionting I had been waiting so long for this sequal only to be harshly let down. the characters are half baked and the special effects are poor the only thing I could say in its favour is that it does lead up to a third cube.
My theory on the first cube is that it was a proto type for the hyper cube but it couldnt all just be to get this alex girls necklass there must be somthing deeper. I would also like to see the return of kazaan maybe as a ruler of a cube. I do not think that the cube is a symbol for limbo ( between heaven and hell) but i do feel that some of the spects incorperated in to the cube were religious.
The fourth dimension although a good plan was executed poorly.
Other good movies include donnie darko , shawshank redemption and waking life.
georegh8778@hotmail.com
>>By George H (Monday, 28 Jul 2003 14:03)
TheFixer has good points........notice that in both movies the people who were the nicest made it out? Do you think that the autistic guy in the first one was shot as well?? For those of you not understanding the concept of the fourth dimension I recommend you read Cosmos by Carl Sagan....cheers =)
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