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Anyone who rates Kill Bill V1&2 even in the same LEAGUE as Pulp Fiction, Resovoir Dogs and Jackie Brown needs their head examined - or re-examined rather because they must have needed it done after Volume one, so they're up for a good checkup after Volume 2.
>>By Tchock (Friday, 13 Aug 2004 20:26)
"And I will strike down upon you with furious vengeance and rage, and you will know my name is the LORD whe I lay my vengeance upon you."
>>By Tchock (Wednesday, 25 Aug 2004 23:15)
Wait - that last bit was utter crap made up to look like it. The other guy on the other page has got it.
>>By Tchock (Thursday, 26 Aug 2004 18:31)
Amazing movie. Best Tarantino. Its excellent the way he can make you like and sympathize with some very horrible cold-blooded characters. Best scenes are the ones with periods of Jules and Vincent's dialogue. Their conversations in the car at the beginning and in the diner at the end are hilarious.
The gimp scene was horrifying when I first saw it. Willis/Travolta/Thurman/Jackson all give best performances. Shame Keitel and Rhames weren't in it more. Roth's character annoyed me a little.
Also the person on the last page who said, ''can someone tell me why John Travolta was killed by Butch but then appears in the diner scene at the end'' I would like to thank for making me laugh.
>>By Stinkfist (Monday, 30 Aug 2004 23:26)
Hey could somebody please, pretty fucking please with a cum covered cherry on top, tell me what the hell the is the name of that song they play when Vincent Vega and Mrs. Wallace are in that diner car talking about the $5 Milk Shake!! The little guitar song in the background kinda like Brwoon Brwooon Brwooon....Dun dun dun brwooon brwoon.... Brwooon Brwoon Brwoon. Its just a lil guitar song, I must have it please tell me!!!
>>By Kitty Gato (Friday, 3 Sep 2004 01:42)
Tarantinos first choice for Vincent Vaga was Micheal Madson.But he was doing another film at the time.
Although Trovolta was great in this film,I would have prefered Madson.
WHAT DO YA THINK????????
>>By masterFwap (Thursday, 9 Sep 2004 00:42)
Wasn't Madson doing Free Willy at the time of Pulp Fiction??
>>By Tchock (Friday, 10 Sep 2004 19:52)
Fuck Madison, JT was born to play Vincent Vega
>>By Kitty Gato (Sunday, 12 Sep 2004 22:49)
i think that michael madson would have been much better suited for the part of vincent vega. . .he just works exceedingly well in tarantino's movies. . .
he was completely sadistic as mr. blonde in reservoir dogs. . .and exceedingly good as budd in kill bill vol. 2. . .
and yeah. . .he has been in some junky movies like 'free willy'. . .but let's not forget that john travolta was in 'stayin alive', 'the boy in the plastic bubble', and all of the 'look who's talking' movies!
>>By drowninginflame (Wednesday, 15 Sep 2004 19:17)
i thought tralvolta did a great job in this film......... maybe amdson would have been better maybe not....... you could argue that point about any actor in any role in the history of cinema
............ point is travolta got it and was good
>>By kurn-ell (Thursday, 16 Sep 2004 03:49)
well exactly! you could argue that point about any actor in any role in the history of cinema! that's what discussion rooms are all about! talking about what you like/dislike in movies, music, and literature. . .
john travolta was kick ass in 'pulp fiction'. . .i just think that michael madson would have been better. . .
it's just a discussion. . .and the discussion isn't limited to talk about what happened exactly. . .you can also talk about what you would like to have seen change about the movie. . .or things you think would have made the movie better. . .
>>By drowninginflame (Thursday, 16 Sep 2004 16:39)
ok........... it might have been better if, instead of the whole bit with butch killing vincent..... they danced the cha cha and talked about getting their nails done.........
jk............. i know what you're talking about and i do agree....... that was just me throwing in my 2 cents to the travolta/madsen debate......... regardless of however well madsen could have done, i think travolta fit the role perfectly and wouldn't change it if i could
>>By kurn-ell (Friday, 17 Sep 2004 03:21)
Madson would have taken the character of Vic Vega to be like Mr Blonde, I think and that wouldn't have worked. Travolta gave that little bit of smoothness to it all - something which I don't think Madson is capable of doing to that level... but he that's just me....
Besides, John T had to have one good film in his life... it would be unfair to let him live his life only being known for Night Fever and Grease... poor guy...
>>By Tchock (Friday, 24 Sep 2004 17:55)
hey guys..please write back asap....do you think that this film glamourises violence....makes it look cool etc? Do you think that this a USA trait... do you think a british film like Snatch or lock stock is more realistic than Goodfellas and pulp fiction etc?
And yes Ezekial 25:17 is pretty cool.
roly.xxxxxxx
>>By roly (Monday, 4 Oct 2004 15:44)
i dunno
i guess as a sweeping statement
you could make the case
that violence in american films is more stylized
while
brit-cinemas depiction of violence
tends to have a little more realism
obviously there are plenty of cinematic examples
on both sides of the atlantic
that go against the 'sweeping statement' above
never the less
that's the impression i'm left with
>>By Helmet (Tuesday, 5 Oct 2004 00:09)
can u think of any such examples?
>>By roly (Tuesday, 5 Oct 2004 00:34)
well
for example
american movie mayhem =
"Taxi Driver "
most notably
the final shoot-out
very brutal & graphic
yet somehow pleasing to the eye
british movie violence seems to run a little more
unvarnished
&
raw
as in
"Small Faces" & "Naked"
>>By Helmet (Tuesday, 5 Oct 2004 02:23)
that movie is awesome!
my favourite quote is:" Oh,i'm sorry,did i break your thought?!"
>>By Eli_Molko (Tuesday, 5 Oct 2004 12:13)
ta :)
>>By roly (Thursday, 7 Oct 2004 11:23)
well i guess i'm the only person on the planet who didn't like this movie..don't ask me why. I found it a glorified violent movie.
>>By coca (Tuesday, 15 Feb 2005 20:28)
Ticks me off when people say Pulp Fiction is really violent, because it isn't. It has just one scene which even comes close to explicit violence, and that's when Vincent accidentally blows Marvin's head off in the car. The majority of the violence mentioned by characters in the movie actually happens off screen (you never see Tony Rocky Horror getting thrown out of the building, or Butch's fatal boxing match or Marcellus torture of Zed).
The violence isn't glorified either, it's gritty and realistic, and it's never done sadistically apart from the gimp scene, but Tarantino ensured the rapists get their comeuppance. People who dislike Pulp because of it's violence are just wimps. It's a superb piece of contempary film making, and definitely one of the greatest movies of all time, and it deserves to be appreciated. If you want to see real glorified violence, watch Battle Royal Requiem or something, then compare that to Pulp.
>>By Stinkfist (Thursday, 3 Mar 2005 14:01)
wimps???? sorry dude...wrong, i loved hellraiser....and that was weird and gross...but unrealistic.....i can't get into realistic violence...especially when it's glorified....
>>By coca (Friday, 4 Mar 2005 18:07)
What was glorified about the violence in Pulp?
>>By Stinkfist (Monday, 7 Mar 2005 14:46)
well, when i saw this in the theater the part when his head was blown up ....the audience laughed...the scene was done in such a realistic way, it grossed me out.......i just think that in a lot of realistic violent movies we have become desensitized to it.
>>By coca (Monday, 7 Mar 2005 15:20)
The violence may have been done in a realistic way, but it wasn't dealt with in a realistic way. I mean Reservoir Dogs is just as realistic as Pulp, but when Mr. Orange gets shot it's just as bloody and gross, but the audience doesn't laugh, because he is dying a slow and painful death. It's not that people are becoming desensitized to it, it's just so happens that that scene in Pulp is given a humorous slant. I know plenty of people who we're grossed out by it, but they laughed all the same, because it is funny. You don't laugh at the part in Reservoir Dogs because it's not done in a humorous context, and if that scene in Pulp was different and say, Vincent ended up traumatised by his shooting of Marvin and ends up on the verge of suicide, it wouldn't be funny.
It's really a tribute to Tarantino's skill as a film maker that he can manipulate gritty, realistic violence to whatever kind of effect he wants.
>>By Stinkfist (Tuesday, 8 Mar 2005 23:15)
well, to each his own..... i will not see reservoir dogs, or other type of movies anymore, for i can't stand any more realistic violent movies. my mainstream is comedy. i love suspenseful movies as the sixth sense......so, to all...enjoy whay you will.....
>>By coca (Wednesday, 9 Mar 2005 04:50)
ooppsss....enjoy what you will......
>>By coca (Wednesday, 9 Mar 2005 20:39)
Lordy, what a good film. When there's nothing else to watch late on a Saturday nite, get out this DVD and spend the night with it. Fix a big cocktail and just lay back and enjoy. Burn one if you can.
Also, Jackie Brown is a very good movie which needs more attention.
>>By keeth (Friday, 1 Sep 2006 15:12)
I agree that Kill Bill is in a different league from Tarantino's earliers films, but only because it's a VERY different kind of film. Kill Bill is, imo, easily as good as Pulp Fiction and the others, just in a different way.
>>By Flagg (Friday, 1 Sep 2006 22:03)
(SPOILERS FOLLOW)
Tarantino has pointed out that one of his all time, favorite movies is "Abbot and Costello meet Frankenstein", for real. "You're at the funny part, then you're at the scary part, then you're at the funny part again."
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Sitting alone in the dark one night, with headphones on, listening to Mike Patton's voice-only, avant garde album "Adult Themes for Voice", I'd crack up one moment, due to what this insane man was doing with his vocal cords, and the next minute I'd be all goose-bumps and raised hairs, wanting to turn on the lights.
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That's what Tarantino's films can be like at their best. You laugh at a big tough guy like Michael Madsen dancing so happily to a bubblegum song -- and simultaneously are terrified, because you know what's coming. The infamous ear scene... IS OFF CAMERA! When I first saw "Reservoir Dogs", I didn't catch Mr. Blond say, "How about a little fire, scarecrow," because I had all that I could take and at that moment hit fast-forward. I instantly had to rewind, however, because EVEN TARANTINO KNEW, at that exact moment, that it went as far as it should go! and had Mr. Orange shoot him and stop what was about to happen.
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I think the scene in "Pulp Fiction" with Zed and Wallace goes too far (and honestly, I hit mute and watch Bruce Willis wrestle with his survival instinct versus his conscience -- and low and behold, in a Tarantino film, the man's conscience wins out over his own instinct for self preservation!), but co-writer, Roger Avary has taken full credit for the infamous sequences in the basement of that pawnshop, including "The Gimp".
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"True Romance" is a wreckless abandon, satire -- poking fun at the media, Hollywood, etc., etc. "Natural Born Killers" originally was the script that Clarence, in "True Romance" was gonna write to get into Hollywood (a more sadistic version of that film's couples' adventures). Tarantino has disavowed himself of Oliver Stone's rendition of what was originally his story, "Natural Born Killers" (thus removing from the discussion the only Tarantino heroes who kill SOLELY for the love of violence and murder). In "Reservoir Dogs" the violence is cring-worthy (will some freaks applaud it? -- yup, just like they laugh and clap at Magneto pulling clueless army men's grenade pins in "X2", or Megatron's flicking a human like a bug to his probable death in "Transformers"). Violence IS taken seriously in "Reservoir Dogs". The AMOUNT of blood, however, is unrealistic and a tribute to the samurai films that influenced Tarantino (later seen in "Kill Bill" as well).
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In "Pulp Fiction", however, the violence becomes like an E.C. Horror comic book. It shocks, it disrupts, and it causes gasps. "Oh, I'm sorry, did I break your concentration?" -- "You've GOT to have an opinion, whe.. (BAM!)" We, along with the characters, are stunned! Some of us laugh, because we cannot control the shock, but none of the violence is for empty laughs, ala "Mars Attacks!"
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When I watch a film like "Goodfellas", it amazes me how much people point to "Pulp Fiction" as irredeemably violent. SO MANY ONSCREEN DEATHS are in this popular Scorsese film, and it's done so offhand and without remorse (the point, I know). THAT'S an unrelentless movie. No happy ending, no martyrs for a better cause elsewhere, no good guys -- no second chances (or, at least, none that are appreciated by the characters). "Pulp Fiction", however, is ALL ABOUT SECOND CHANCES. By "Grace", Butch gets to live after angering what's notoriously a wicked, violent man. After the only contract killing we see Jules commit, we're shown his doubts, and redemption. Over the top, femme fatale, Mrs. Wallace SHOULD have died from her overdose, but gets another shot at life (as does her companion/protector, who would've certainly been executed for his part in her near death).
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"Jackie Brown", as much as I enjoyed it, was NOT typical Tarantino. It was Elmore Leonard's story ("Rum Punch"), and about the most Tarantino-esque thing Quentin did to it, was renamed Jackie Burke, Jackie Brown, and cast Pam Grier of "Foxy Brown" fame. Despite this reference to blaxploitation films, the film doesn't go off the deep end with the cinema homages that many of Tarantino's works are known for.
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"Kill Bill", however, is a collage film. Just as "Pulp Fiction" was more cartoonish than "Reservoir Dogs", "Kill Bill" is more cartoonish than the former. Heck, it has a cartoon IN it! I'm disappointed that the only scene with hokey, bad American/Kung-Fu overdubs is a deleted scene, honestly. It's a pastiche of references, like many of his films, but to it's unapologetic extreme. I never get choked up during "Pulp Fiction", like I sometimes do when Uma Thurman awakens from her coma, only to discover she has probably lost the baby that was in her womb, or when she later discovers (to her astonishment) that her baby girl is in fact still alive, and now between her and her goal of killing Bill.
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I'm not a fan of pointless violence, existing, seemingly for the sake of the violence itself. It becomes like pornography. Torture flicks hold no interest with me. I do, however, have a fascination with anything that appears, on the outside, to be vaudevillian or "low brow", that in fact holds many hidden gems and subtext.
>>By forcaca (Wednesday, 1 Aug 2007 08:38)
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